Magath says Mitroglu, Dejagah and Ruiz will still be with us in September. Is he talking them up to get more money or do you think they will?
The main question to ask is whether these players want to play for us?
Ruiz is not a championship player, never will be able to hack the battles needed.
The other two would.
posted by stephen terry (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 8:16 AM
If mitroglou stays don't care about Ruiz although if he stays he may be able to come up with a few magical moments again some of his play at Fulham was beautiful and if you say it wasnt your not a Fulham fan because it was those lobs and chips he can do gave us a few bright moments anywho if mitroglou stays our frontline along with the Youngbloods will be more than enough to see us in the top 2 of the championship. Next season should be good providing we hold on to a few players. Hope dejaga stays too he was 1 of our best players in the dismal parts of last season. COYWs august 9th can't cone quick enough
posted by Paul24FFC (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 9:47 AM
Im not sure why people are hoping Mitroglou will stay and what evidence they are using that he would be a asset to us anyway??
We signed him in January... He wasnt fit, had a knee injury, when he finally came back he was so overwieght that he coudlnt possibly be risked until we were already condemned to the championship.
He went to the world cup where he was garbage at best, again he didnt look fit, if you cannot get yourself fit to perform on the biggest stage in the world then you have some serious motivation problems.
I think we saw him perform 3 times last season, each time i saw him live, he looked like he couldnt even pass the ball in a straight line, he couldnt run, he had no energy, he dissapeared in all 3 games.
He was knocked out of the world cup 3 weeks ago, here's what really miff's me and please somebody feel free to argue his side of the cause.....
If i was a record signing( or near enough) for a club and when i joined i missed more or less the rest of the season and didnt contribute in any way and knew that i was severly lacking in any physical shape then when my team got knocked out the world cup if i was serious about getting in shape for next season and being match sharp for the start i would have been back at the training ground within days of being knocked out..
Ask yourself why does a guy who has played in total about an hours worth of football in the last 7 months need a extended break after 4 matches (all as a sub) in the world cup.. Answer is because he has no motivation, no hunger and no reason to want to play for Fulham in the Championship and certainly not desire to put in the hard work the kids and current players have had to endure over the past two weeks.
posted by Adam (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 10:35 AM
Firstly, Fred, although I am in the give him a season camp, Magath said he was certain we would not get relegated so I think what he says about the three amigos can be taken with a pinch of salt. He isn't used to the British press just yet and which words will come back to bite him on the bum.
Secondly, Paul24FFC, " if you say It wasn't you are not a Fulham fan"?? Really?? Really???
Thirdly, Adam, I agree with you 100%. Get rid of him he's useless, I watched every one of his performances at FFC and in the World Cup and his contribution in every game was zero. Prima Donna!!
The only one worth keeping is Dejagah and then only if he loses some of that attitude he has about not wanting to play in the Champions League (Freudian slip :-)).
posted by MST (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 11:01 AM
Ruiz was actually one.of the stars of the World Cup and whilst Mitlagou has looked poor to date he is highly rated and has scored a lot of goals. Both players home country's obviously rate them and both have played at top level. I don't believe either should be written off at this time as I can't see us attracting top players to the club. There is a risk but if Magath can't get the best out of them nobody can.
posted by Steve (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 11:21 AM
Personally i think Ruiz has had more than enough chances to prove himself in a Fulham shirt, 3 managers have all refused to pick him because quite simply he cannot hack the physical side of the English game... Glimpses of brilliance (i think 3 in total) are far outweighed but his appaling performances and work rate in a Fulham shirt.
Yeah he played well in the world cup but all games were played at a slow tempo and a pace to suit him, he will get hammered in the Championship next season, he will be targetted by all the teams and he will not be able to handle it.
He needs to be plying his trade in the Dutch or Greek league where he will be able to lob around the pitch at his own pace... Im more peeved by his world cup exploits because all i can hear in the background is Jim Bowen say "heres what you could have won" we got the shitty version at Fulham, Costa Rica get the good version, its not down to managers etc... its all up to the player to perform and have pride in his own game, had he played the same way for Fulham he did for Costa Rica then we would be chanting his name every week.. Unfortunatly after 3 seasons we still havnt seen any improvement.
posted by Adam (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 11:38 AM
We will agree to have different opinions but I think he was played in the wrong position doing a job he couldn't do. Despite his poor performances for Fulham Costa Rica kept faith and were rewarded. He also score 5 for PSV in 14 games.
posted by Steve (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 12:50 PM
I'm sorry but I cannot agree that Ruiz was a star in the World Cup. Yes he scored a couple of good goals but the rest of the time he wandered all over the pitch and lost the ball taking on one to many in the wrong position like he did for us. I watched every minute of every game he played in believe me Costa Ricas success was down more to hard work and team ethic than Luiz's laconic approach to all games not just those in a Fulham shirt. Adam is right the games he played in were slow and because his reputation preceded him he was left completely unmarked for evey goal he scored. Outside of that I saw nothing out of the ordinary from Brian. And on a separate note how come he came up with some cock and bull story about his father for wearing Brian on his FFC shirt instead of Ruiz but wore Ruiz in his country's shirt- simples - another Prima Donna ....
posted by MST (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 1:31 PM
Ruiz was one of the stars of the WC because he finished his chances. Unlike Sturridlge and Rooney. He looked fitter than at Fulham. But I totally agree. I watched all the Costa Rica matches and the right ball would've exposed him. He floated a lot and left his organized teammates to pick up the slack.
posted by Drago (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 5:01 PM
Ruiz was very poor at Fulham and was never a star with Costa Rica. He cant get off the ground or challenge an opponent he had the odd ,very odd ,bright moment.He will be a waste of space..again.Surprised if Magath ever plays him.If he does what does that say about Magath.
posted by JIM JO (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 9:26 PM
Costa Rica played him every game and PSV played him every game so someone somewhere sees good in him. We paid 10m for him so someone saw good in him. If everyone thinks he's not good enough to play in the championship then a lot of people have made mistakes.
posted by Steve (Guest) - Tuesday 22nd July 2014, 10:11 PM
As usual agree with you 100% Adam and you too MST.
Why anyone would want to keep him I cannot fathom . WHEN he played he was truly rubbish and did nothing to suggest he had any potential whatsoever . Not someone I would want to entrust with the task of picking up maybe 15-20 goals next season that's for sure .
posted by Mortlake (Guest) - Thursday 24th July 2014, 7:54 AM
The game is all about opinions in my humble opinion Bryan Ruiz suffered in his time at Fulham simply because our inadequate manager Martin Jol persisted in playing him out of position.
Surely Ruiz was not signed to chase and harry opponents or get stuck in in the middle of the park. He is a luxury player and is blessed with great ability. If Fulham can produce an industrious creative midfield which would allow the likes of Ruiz to play with a bit of freedom I believe we could have one hell of a player on our hands, certainly a player to create havoc in the championship
posted by Eddie (Guest) - Thursday 24th July 2014, 11:02 AM
Some truth in that Eddie but can FFC afford the luxury of such occasional skills . Always seen us more as a team of grafters rather than individual brilliance that the rest of the team have difficulty keeping up with .
Anyway new season , new players , hopefully mind set , and a bit of grit and determination . Quietly optimistic .
posted by Mortlake (Guest) - Thursday 24th July 2014, 7:28 PM
Eddie & Mortlake You are both correct, the problem was also that we had Berbatov, another "luxury" player at the same time. No team can afford two players like that but Berba was Jol's favourite plaything so he was never going to be dropped or played anywhere other than where Berba wanted.
posted by Fred (Guest) - Thursday 24th July 2014, 11:36 PM
Quite agree one luxury player can be accommodated at a stretch but two was always a non starter.
Fulham sadly made the wrong choice
Unfortunately Ruiz received the flak from the crowd whilst Berbatov slipped under the radar.
I believe that Berbatov along with Jol proved to be a huge factor in our demise.
A wonderfully talented gifted player but he was selfish, lazy ,egotistical and totally detrimental to the overall team ethic.
The Bulgarian sloth and the Dutch imbecile were allowed to hang around for far too long.
Strangely Berba could do no wrong as far as the crowd were concerned and poor old Bryan Ruiz was left to carry the can
As a result Ruiz was hopelessly mis-used by our inept manager his confidence gradually drained away and he was ultimately sidelined and shipped out on loan.
posted by Eddie (Guest) - Friday 25th July 2014, 10:56 AM