I wonder if someone can explain to me please, why when we have a plug in hybrid car for which we pay over £600 per annum road tax as well as fuel duty every time we fill up with petrol, the recent budget announcement advises that we will also have to pay 1.5p per mile. It just doesn’t make sense to me so perhaps I’ve misunderstood? Yes, the road tax is high because the vehicle was over £40k when new in 2022 and will go down in 2028 to around £200pa but I still don’t understand why we have to pay road tax, fuel duty AND a PHEV tax? I might as well have bought a diesel car :0(.
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Sounds like you need a mileage blocker, as does everyone who drives an EV and does quite a few miles annually. After all you only use it for the weekly big shop.
posted by Paddy O’Doors (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 8:26 AM
Agree, I’m in the same boat and it really isn’t fair. It’s Liebour hitting those who they perceive to have too much money.i don’t use this car very often , relying on my wife’s more often than not but it doesn’t alter the fact that EV drivers somehow end up paying more than anyone else.No way to reward the conscious. Next year I’ll be out of the surcharge period. My wife who has a Volvo V40 diesel doesn’t pay any road fund licence for the first 5years, that will go up to only just £120 I think. Lower than the nom.supposedly because of low emissions!? The whole system makes little or no sense. It will hardly affect me, maybe £60/70 a year but I still resent it to be truthful. You I think do some big mileage which is a bummer. The charges on public chargers make owning an EV, bearing in mind the intial cost of the vehicle all but pointless for many. Another brilliantly worked out policy.
posted by Mortlake (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 9:33 AM
We need to build more hotels and that has to be funded.
posted by Mrs Abbott (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 10:17 AM
I purchased a Honda HRV Hybrid last year, and it was probably the best car that I have ever had, and believe me, I've had quite a few, and I am getting over 50 mpg, with no worries about charging points, and I personally can't believe anyone falling for this EV nonsense. Even my dealer said that he has a job selling them.
Another thing MST, which will probably upset you, is that Reform have wiped out Labour, in the Sunderland local council elections, with Labour falling far behind. This was a previously Labour stronghold, so is a sign of things to come, and it can't come soon enough. Labour are holding on by a thread, which must snap soon, with a general election on the horizon, please god. Come on Nigel and Reform.
posted by THE CRAVEN (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 10:45 AM
Like everything this government milking everything personally would not touch a electic car with a barge pole no danger of petroleum being phased out by 2030; this country wont be equipped to deal with changeover not that I care I will dead or have dementia or will have been exterminated by a Russian missile after they have built up there stocks another reason why europe and USA give Ukraine every help in every way wreck the Russian economy bring the war to moscow get this madman out
posted by Ipitombi (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 11:05 AM
Conundrum will Marco start with usuals side ( bearing in mind suspended player due back then bring on in my opinion one of our best players here at the moment ( chuka wish he had an easier name to remember); could backfire if we make a bad start see Robinson return immenentb
posted by Ipitomby (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 11:14 AM
I was using EV as a generic. I like you MST have a hybrid vehicle. I agree with Ipitombi I wouldn’t want a full electric car. Put it down to my age, can get a bit confused. :))
posted by Mortlake (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 11:49 AM
Seven goal thriller, Tesla to shade it.
posted by Paddy O’Doors (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 11:49 AM
The answer is simple!! People with petrol/diesel cars pay 70% of fuel costs. So if you spend £1000 a year on fuel, which barely enough for 8000 miles, you'd be paying £700 in tax. So the 1.5p per mile would only give the government an income of £120 p.a. We forget petrol/diesel tax is a massive income to maintain the roads and top up the benefits system.
posted by JohnC (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 2:47 PM
Not quite sure what point you are trying to make John. Assuming a hybrid car owner does those same 8000 miles then he’s paying your 70% plus a further 1.5p per mile on I’d estimate around 6000 miles. I have no figures to prove anything but I’d bet hybrid car owners probably get maybe on average 25% of their miles from direct charging. If they charge away from home they can be paying anything between 45p- 75p per kilowatt. I think the point of the discussion is that there is now little or no point in buying a hybrid vechile, which is what governments were trying to encourage. I’d also point out the purchase of a hybrid vehicle is significantly more than that of a straight petrol or diesel one. A full electric car is I guess still viable as the 3p per mile they pay seems fair, it being the only tax they have to pay.
posted by Mortlake (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 3:35 PM
I don’t understand your point. Our car (a mini countryman cooper s all 4) barely does 20 miles on an electric charge. We did not buy it to save the world. We bought it because we like it. We never plug it in and charge it and run the car exclusively on petrol apart from the minimal charge it provides through braking. My point is that we pay fuel duty when we fill up twice a week and we pay £630 per annum in road tax so why the hell do we now have to pay a further 1.5p per mile that no other petrol or diesel car is charged? The policy has not been thought through and put in the budget idiots know nothing about hybrid vehicles.
posted by MST (Moderator) - Friday 28th November 2025, 4:58 PM
Sorry agree - for plug-in, it’s a double whammy!! It is just a reflection of the government making decisions without proper knowledge or implications.
posted by JohnC (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 5:02 PM
You never spoke a truer word.:(
posted by Mortlake (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 5:29 PM
And now your going to pay tax on your state pension to
posted by Magicman (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 5:30 PM
State pension has been taxable for years. If you have a private pension like me you end up with a K tax code which means all of your private pension is taxable without a personal allowance.
posted by MST (Moderator) - Friday 28th November 2025, 5:40 PM
It’s £15 a year on 10,000 miles so not a bank breaker but I begrudge being fleeced!
posted by MST (Moderator) - Friday 28th November 2025, 5:42 PM
Have we ever, in all of our days, had a worse government in power than this bunch of lying clowns? Now we hear that the lovely Rachel from accounts, has been lying to the people about the mon existing black hole. Rachel, is lying through her teeth every day of her life, backed all the way by two tier Starmer. Blair told us to buy diesel cars, then when a lot of us had, they changed their minds. Blair and company then tried to persuade us to buy EV's, and some of us gullible drivers, of which I was not one, went ahead like sheep, and now they are worthless vehicles. A friend of mine was one of those following the trend, but cannot know sell, or even part exchange, his EV for a proper Hybrid car. I did try to talk him out of buying one, but now admits how right I was. Which ever party we support, I just hope that all those who voted Labour, are now in full repent. Thank goodness we have a chance to vote Reform next time, as we all know that Labour are toast.
posted by AC (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 6:11 PM
It’s £150 for 10,000 miles. Once they get it in place it’ll only increase. The good news is that when Reform get in and the re-migrations start all this tax will be spent on worthwhile things like the armed forces and another bank holiday for Trafalgar Day.
posted by Paddy O’Doors (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 7:43 PM
My mistake, now I’m even angrier grrrrr!
posted by MST (Moderator) - Friday 28th November 2025, 8:07 PM
Well it’s wrong , old farts shouldn’t pay tax on there pensions , maybe people should stop buying E V and hybrid anyway because it won’t work, how do 500:cars in 1 tower block charge there vehicles
posted by Magicman (Guest) - Friday 28th November 2025, 9:32 PM
As far as I can work out, it's only plug in Hybrid cars that will be paying the extra mileage charge, as petrol/electric Hybrids are not effected. The whole budget now seems a complete mystery, and now Rachel from accounts has been found to have been cooking the books, so does anyone really know what's going on. This woman must be on borrowed time now, as she has been telling fibs about everything it seems.
posted by Alan B (Guest) - Saturday 29th November 2025, 11:41 AM
Plug-in hybrids ARE petrol. As previously indicated, ours is a plug-in hybrid but still only does about 20 miles on a full charge, which is why we only ever use petrol.
posted by MST (Moderator) - Saturday 29th November 2025, 12:41 PM
Alan B. Sorry mate but no. Full electric cars will pay 3p per mile , whilst hybrids will pay 1.5p per mile. The latter charge is the one that is unfair as they will in effect be paying two lots of tax, fuel duty and the1.5p in addition.
posted by Mortlake (Guest) - Saturday 29th November 2025, 3:53 PM
A client of mine bought a tesla brand new a couple of years ago it cost her just over 70 grand cash. Back in july the battery kept over heating while on charge so took it back to tesla who said it needed a new battery pack which had to be imported from china at the cost of 12 grand including fitting, luckily for her it was sorting under warranty but they left her without a motor for 2 months. She has now gone back to a petrol car and is trying to sell the tesla but it's only worth 15 grand, can't even find a buyer for it.
I've got a diesel fiesta 20 quid tax, does over 600 miles on a tank and cost 350 a year to insure
posted by Can't beat a diesel (Guest) - Saturday 29th November 2025, 5:37 PM