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reading quotes some managers make I wonder just how good a coach they are,benitez said I would like to stay in prem but there are no big clubs available, really;;;; why big club ? all it says is I cant do much with out loads of money, so all top managers and coaches look for big rich clubs to make the job easy just what would jose do at villa or ffc of west ham, or Norwich, only cloughie showed how you can go to a average club and turn them into world beaters with very little money so does that make cloughie the great one and not jose? or any other feted manager? harry nearly did it at spurs into fourth but even so levy did spend more than most although spurs don't spend to much in comparsion to big 4.
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Cloughie was the best but he stayed at Forrest cos he hadnt burnt too many bridges and big clubs didnt want him.

Fergusson at Aberdeen - Cup Winners Cup Champions and won Scottsh league breaking the old firm monopoly.

Mourinho at Porto.


posted by Phil (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 3:25 PM
 
You beat me to it Phil. If you look back most of the "great" Managers have done their apprenticeships at smaller clubs and have earned the right to look for so called "big clubs". There aren't many big clubs (Chelsea apart with Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo) that take on rookies - they all want time served, experienced guys who have been there and done it so I knd of see Bernitez's point. I am a large comany director who worked his way up through a series of smaller companies - why would I now want to drive a van for a living?
posted by MST (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 3:31 PM
 
but did not most of these win at small clubs once only? there are lots of clubs and managers who won top honour ,but only the once ,when that was done suddenly they were gods and every top club wanted there services, but in my dreams I wonder what would have happened if jose or a.n had come from porto into say villa ,a big club even though in slumberland ,or Newcastle, sunderland , big gates big support,or yes even us, would he have achieved as much ?.
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Rumour is that he is on his way out of Spurs. Not that I think it's likely but anyone like him back?
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Would love him back - if we didn't have to pay (much) more than we sold him for. Whether he would come back to us (or is indeed actually up for sale) is more the question...

...he'll probably do the same as everyone else who leaves us, end up at Sunderland or someone equivalent - trading a great career at a (smaller) club that loves them, for one or two seasons at a top 5 club (no Champions' League) and then to a smaller club, miles from anywhere you'd want to live...#justsaying
posted by Simon Morgan (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 12:23 PM
 
I doubt if Levy asking price will be less than £10m, which would rule us out anyway. Would I have him back? probably not, after all he wants Champions League football!!!!
posted by martinwatson (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 12:27 PM
 
Pointless question really. Jol (nor MAF) would have him back because he refused to play and Dempsey wouldn't want to come back. I don't believe he is out of Spurs in any case - especially if they get an offer around £60m for Bale from Real after Ronaldo signs for Chels!!
posted by MST (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 1:05 PM
 
A lot of Spurs fans have not been happy with his displays on the pitch this season. He's not so much of a star now that he has better players around him. Would I take him back.....footballing wise probably yes...for the way he wanted to leave us,no.Probably get the move he wanted to the Scousers.
posted by FulhamFooty (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 1:15 PM
 
First two words of this post says it all as usual. "RUMOUR IS............."
posted by Al (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 2:22 PM
 
yes please but would he come back or move on to Liverpool? at 3 mill good value.
posted by mr keef (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 2:24 PM
 
Would love him back but cant afford him now
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Summary

A deeply unsatisfactory season; the sale of Mousa Dembele and Clint Dempsey in the final week of August knocked us for six. Very nearly sleep-walking into relegation, big questions need to be asked of both the board and Martin Jol. A repeat next year would almost certainly guarantee Championship football.


Top 3 players

Sascha Riether: a rare and constant bright spark in an otherwise sparkless team. Tireless running, often our biggest attacking threat, he has become a real fan favourite.

Ashkan Dejagah: bought on transfer deadline day from Wolfsburg, injuries meant that it took some time for Dejagah to settle in. When he did, though, he provided excellent and direct wing play, as well as some unheralded defensive work.

Giorgios Karagounis: a 35-year old who arrived as a free transfer in September; yup, that basically sums up Fulham's season. Yet Karagounis has been brilliant and provided the much-needed leadership and calm head that our central midfield required in the absence of Dembele.


Top 3 flops

Steve Sidwell: in the so-called peak of his career, Sidwell totally failed to capitalise on the exit of Dembele to make central midfield his own. Lacking in leadership qualities, the Ginger Iniesta's season was perfectly summed up by his back to back red cards in April. At least he gets a long summer holiday.

Mladen Petric: I'm not so much blaming Petric but Jol; why on earth did we sign him in the first place? A very good finisher but totally lacking the dynamism and physicality to influence the Premier League. He'll go on to score goals elsewhere; he just shouldn't have come to Fulham.

John Arne Riise: if it weren't for Kieran Richardson's injuries and Matthew Briggs' ineptitude, Riise wouldn't have played half as many games as he did this season. He has though, and he has been a shadow of the player we saw last year. Careless in possession, weak defensively; it has not been a good season for the Norwegian.


Highlight of the season

The 5-0 victory over Norwich City on the opening day. That says it all.


Manager assessment

It's really hard to judge; are the team's failings down to Jol's management of the board's lack of leadership? I think it's a bit of both. While the board's failure to decide what, exactly, Fulham's plans and ambitions are, Jol has not helped himself. Having announced his desire to lower the average age of the squad when he arrived at Craven Cottage, all he has done is add older players on short-term contracts or loans; this lack of longevity and forward thinking cannot help the atmosphere within the dressing room.

Furthermore, he has been remarkably tactically inflexible given our weaknesses in personnel. It's taken him all season not to realise that playing counter-attack football without any pace doesn't work. Hopefully, one day the penny will drop. With speculation over his future, I can't say I'd be upset should he depart. A poor season all round.


Hopes for next season

My one hope is for greater leadership, at both the managerial and board level. What are the club's ambitions? Is Mohamed Al Fayed still interested? If we are to become 'self-sustainable' then we need a manager who can work under those circumstances; Jol is not that man.

With greater leadership will come stability and improvement. We need to stop thinking from season to season (which ends up being from transition to transition), we need a longer-term plan. If that happens, then there's no reason why we can't challenge regularly for Europe. If it doesn't happen, we may find ourselves slugging it out in the Championship before too long.

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Been really dissapointed with Petric this season. In Pre season he looked class and against Norwich i thought here we go we have a goodun here.

Then he got an injury and thats it. He comes of the bench but isnt an impact player, he is lightweight, quite slow and not prepared to play through any kind of injury.

Would be one of the players i move on.

As for Sidwell - There is a case for and against.

Yes he has been reckless but when you are the only player who isnt a defender that can tackle then you are going to have to go in tough, Karagounis is always diving around, Ruiz couldnt tackle his way out of a soaking wet open paper bag and Berbatov doesnt even attempt so he probably feels he has to really go hard.

On the negative he hasnt improved as a footballer this season, his passing is poor (1st minute of cup game vs Utd for example) his shooting is poor and he doesnt seem to have the same enthusiasm he did, i think Moussa Dembele made him look good for the past two seasons and he has been found out a bit because the quality isnt alongside him.

I would give him another chance though, i think he has it in him to be a good player for us as long as the right player is alongside him.
posted by Adam (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 11:49 AM
 
This season has been a very frustrating time for all, it's low's out-number the highs, 9 home defeats is not a record to be proud of and the defeat at QPR was not a performance I wish to remember. Our downturn in form was mirrored by the 3 red cards and the games which followed them.

After a promising season start we the supporters suffered many anxious performances.

Regardless of the constraints Martin Jol has been working under, he showed his inability to use or organise his squad correctly to the benefit of the team's results. He also kept reiterating the loss of Dembele and Dempsey like a broken record. He may have had control of the team but it didn't come across that way to the fans, it seemed that they were in disarray.
posted by martinwatson (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 1:03 PM
 
Top 3 players and you dont name Berb? Dont get that unless you are deducting points for not running around. He kept us in this division by himself. I agree your 3 are next best
posted by Phil (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 3:28 PM
 
 
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Fulham are showing interest in Nancy winger Yohan Mollo.

The France U21 international has been on loan at St Etienne and impressed this season.



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By Patrick Akoto
Ghana midfielder Derek Boateng has confirmed he has signed a two-year deal with English side Fulham.
Boateng, 30, moves to the Craven Cottage as a free agent after months of intense speculations.
Fulham saw their move for the Dnipro enforcer fall through in the last two windows but manager Martin Jol has finally landed his man.
The Ghanaian international has confirmed he has signed the dotted lines for the London side after snubbing offers from Greek giants Olympiakos.
"I have signed a two-year deal with Fulham and will be training with them for the first time today (Tuesday),"Boateng told Accra-based Happy FM
"I believe it's a good move and I'm finally happy to see this deal concretized."
Boateng is a journey man having played in several countries including Spain, Greece, Germany, Israel and Sweden.
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One pleasing thing is that we seem to be doing our business early, Reither in, Boateng in, Amorebieata looks likely this week so at least we are doing something.

The Scwartzer contract is a real 50-50 for me. He has been an amazing keeper for us and this season just as good as he has ever been but the time has to come when a 40 year old is gonna make mistakes. He wont be a number two thats clear so do we take the risk of having him for one more season with Etheridge as his back up? What happens if his back go's or his form dips?

For me i would release him if he isnt prepared to allow another keeper playing time, we missed out on Butland for that reason, Stockdale has given up on ever being number one so bring in a new keeper and let him and Stockdale battle it out for number one rights.
posted by Adam (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 11:41 AM
 
Hope Boeteng is worth all the waiting for.
posted by FulhamFooty (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 1:09 PM
 
Another 30 year old... MJ - committed to lowering the average age of the team! Rubbish... MJ - out, get a manager with vision and courage of his convictions Please....
posted by FFC FAITHFUL (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 3:55 PM
 
 
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Shwartz you should stay at FFC and play next season. I am sure for most of next season you will be the No 1 Keeper. Your good enough to do so. You have become a household name at Fulham FC a star performer and a Legend. It will be a very sad day indeed when you do descide it is time to go. But not yet!....
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Based on current performances he is clearly still good enough to carry on at this level and am not sure we will do better if he leaves.Like Stockdale but do not think he is quite up to the Scharwzer level whilst doubt other transfer targets will be any better.
Don't think he can expect to be be guaranteed the no.1 spot but as long as he maintains current form that's what he should be.
posted by Camberley Dave (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 8:56 PM
 
No denying Swartzer has had an excellent season.
However, no player at any club should be able to demand a number 1 spot.
If he insists, I'm afraid he must go.
posted by willie2B - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 11:34 AM
 
 
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so 12th spot clean sheet, jol loves Fulham, already assured he will be here next season, but best bit the under 18 lads scooped the league at the cottage,so what about moving the pick of the bunch up? wonder what dembelle is like at top level a hat trick and has a name like that, how I wish the bosses at the cottage would read the message board. they just might learn some thing.
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spot on
posted by GEZZER - Monday 20th May 2013, 4:07 PM
 
PS why didnt they hold it back a week so we could have all turned up.The kids would have loved it
posted by GEZZER - Monday 20th May 2013, 4:12 PM
 
I agree, the Reading game should have been this weekend. I attended last year's final against Blackburn and it was well supported.
posted by martinwatson (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 12:20 PM
 
I doubt if the clubs have much say about when games are played. And neither should they.
posted by Al (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 2:35 PM
 
 
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MARK was outstanding, ALEX should have scored four. And that little wave from DIMITAR did it mean any thing.?? And what the players did at the death.GIROGOS/ MARK with the shirts and gloves.10/10 to fans that went good day out.And to the SWANSEA BOYS in the COOPERS ARMS GOOD AS GOLD.
 
 
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OK SO WE ENDED UP 12TH. THAT JUST SHOWS YOU WHAT A POOR LEAGUE IT IS APART FROM THE TOP 6 OR 7. WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THE FOLLOWING BEFORE WE KICK ANOTHER BALL : 1) GET RID OF ALL THE SHIT INFESTING THE CLUB LIKE BAIRD, RIISE, SENDEROS, RODALLEGA AND SIDWELL. 2) GET A NEW MANAGER TO REPLACE THE FAT DUTCHMAN WHO HAS NO AFFINITY WITH FULHAM WHATSOEVER. THE ROT STARTED SETTING IN WHEN THE WELSH SHEEPSHAGGER WALKED AWAY TO QPR AND LOOK WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THEM. AND HIM !!!!! 3)WE ARE PROBABLY THE MOST APATHETIC TEAM IN THE PL AS SHOWN BY OUR PERFORMANCES. EVEN CRAP LIKE STOKE AND SUNDERLAND PLAY WITH SOME LEVEL OF COMMITMENT. WHEN WE HAVE THE BALL IN MIDFIELD WE ATTACK AT A SNAILS PACE AND ARE TOO EASY TO DEFEND AGAINST. 4) LETS STOP BLEATING ABOUT DECISIONS THAT GO AGAINST US - THE CURRENT SQUAD IS JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH. PLUSES FROM 2012/13 THE SCUM FROM SHEPHERDS BUSH GOING BACK WHERE THEY BELONG. THE CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR A POOR SIDE SURVIVING ANOTHER YEAR COYW !!!!
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What does skywalker mean? Is it a code for something?
posted by Al (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 1:39 PM
 
Who Knows.Poor lamb getting in such a state.Cant be a Fulham supporter very long.What about a new chant for next season to cheer him up. Suggest A COTTAGING WE WILL GO A COTTAGING WE WILL GO E AY ADDIO A COTTAGING WE WILL GO To the tune of A HUNING WE WILL GO.
posted by JIM JO (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 5:23 PM
 
LOUD NOISES
posted by D (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 5:52 PM
 
SKYWALKER UPPER CASE....way way over the top
posted by ffc supporter (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 6:27 PM
 
Not a code, Al.
He is simply saying we were not good enough 2012/13.
Hopefully it will be a long time before we suffer such a long period without a win.
posted by willie2B - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 11:38 AM
 
 
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A satisfactory result to finish a topsy turvy season.
For twenty minutes plus in the second half we were very fortunate not to let Swansea back into the game.
We have to thank Swartzer once again plus the sheer determination of a much harried defence.
Big factors in our win were Frimpong and Enoh. They weren't perfect but they were pretty good, and played as if it were a cup final. Pity we can't keep them next year (altough I can't see Wenger wanting Frimpong just yet).
Another good outing for Kaka. Swansea gave him too much room but even Berba saw that he was our potential matchwinner. Hope we can keep him for a while.
 
 
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When are they starting work on the new stand?? Also surely whilst the work is being carried out would it mean a massive hit on the transfer budget? Worrying.
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No news ever on the website about this - wonder why?
posted by marbella white (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 10:47 AM
 
Wondering the same thing, can't understand it that we get the planning permission to do it and then nothing, no information at all.

Not good enough really, they should keep supporters informed.
posted by Cliff (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 11:24 AM
 
I think it's still ongoing. Report in Evening Standard couple of days back intimated that Hammersmith council and Fulham are still talking and all plans are basically in place.
However, my gut tells me the emphasis has switched to player purchase for now.
posted by Al (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 1:48 PM
 
 
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I didnt go the game yesterday so only saw the highlights on match of the day but Kacaniclik looked like a world beater yesterday??

I really think this kid has a lot of potential and just needs games even when he is off form, Jol needs to stick with him through thick and thin and i think we will unearth a gem.
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Totally agree!
posted by Mick (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 7:44 PM
 
kaka should have been given a lot more game time throughout the year, give the kids a chance to prove their worth.kaka looked most likely against liverpool only to get dragged off.i was really glad for the kid yesterday
posted by jimmy c (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 11:47 PM
 
He has been one of the few on the same wavelength as Berbatov and formed a good understanding with him early on. However, he does have a tendency to disappear from games which is why he does get pulled. I only saw the highlights this week but he looked to giving their defense the real run around, good on him.
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So who do we want to see at the cottage next season. We need to get rid of rod and bring in some strikers bent is not worth the money kone and di santo would be a good signing also we need a dirty defending midfielder and maybe some mids maybe try and keep hold of emanulson and frimpong they wasnt to bad in the end but well done boys a good finish to a hard season
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I dont think bent would be that bad a transfer, he can hardly command a big wage now and has a lot to prove, if he played 38 games im pretty sure he would be in double figures for the season.

Looks like we are signing a Centre Back which is much needed.

Its Centre mid where we need a full clean out and rebuild.

McCarthy from Wigan would be a good signing. I think we will make a move for Huddlestone or Parker from Spurs as they will clear out this season also.

We also need a left back as both Riise and Richardson are just below par.
posted by Adam (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 10:19 AM
 
I don't think Bent would be a good player for us, too inconsistent.

If we could get a young striker like Lukaku would be great but I guess he will be too expensive for us.

The important issue apart from signings is that we get rid of some of the dross.
Senderos is a nightmare in nearly every game.
posted by Cliff (Guest) - Monday 20th May 2013, 11:28 AM
 
 
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Fantastic win away.Nice end to the season. COYWs Have a great Summer and return with new players and fresh tactics.
 
 
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In your face you miserable lot ;-)
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So we ended up 12th and with Wigan going down with 36 points it effectively meant we were safe in March. I know our recent form was poor and we had a scare near the end but we need to keep all of this in perspective. In respect Martin Jol he did his job this year in particular given we lost our midfield who were not replaced. I know we need to invest over the summer if we are to consolidate. Lets see!
posted by GB (Guest) - Sunday 19th May 2013, 9:11 PM
 
Papering over the cracks... Get him out or expect the same if not worse next season!
posted by FFC FAITHFUL (Guest) - Sunday 19th May 2013, 9:48 PM
 
Ha ha! Well done Snakey. I guess that's what it's like to follow Fulham! Get thrashed at home by Reading and then beat Sawnsea away...
posted by Hints - Monday 20th May 2013, 12:59 AM
 
Great support at game and its a bloody long way
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