Play the kids by all means as long as they are better than the oldies
posted by FFC SUPPORTER (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 6:50 PM But we know how the oldies play .Thats why we have lost the last six games. Untill we play the kids we wont know.But one game only to go how will we know. Should have started playing them months ago.Bit late now saying as long as they are better than the oldies.At least VILLA had the balls to stand by their manager. And he proved him self right.Thats why MARTIN ant got a clue.
posted by GEZZER - Saturday 18th May 2013, 9:08 PM GEZZER, Haven't Fulham stood by the manager? Do you want to moan about Jol or the club? Or just moan?
posted by APM (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 9:18 PM I stand (or sit) prepared to be shot down here. Isn't there a limted squad? Don't we have to name a squad at the start of the season and pretty much stick to that? As I say, I'm not sure but if that's the case then it would prevent us from making wholesale changes wouldn't it?
posted by Hints - Sunday 19th May 2013, 12:27 AM Also...what kids are we talking about ?
posted by FFC SUPPORTER (Guest) - Sunday 19th May 2013, 6:00 AM You have to register 25 players at end of each transfer window. Players aged under 21 do not have to be registered.
posted by Luke (Guest) - Sunday 19th May 2013, 8:15 AM I think he means those kids that haven't had a decent run out for Fulham like Dan Burn, Grimmer and Na Bangna, maybe even Moussa (Mark 2) and Tankovic from the under 18s. But realistically they aren't up to the grade yet! If by youngsters you mean Kaca, Frei, Briggs and Trotta, well they have had some decent opportunities so the ball is in their court to prove themselves. Only Kaca has really done that with any consistency.
posted by Scrawnee (Guest) - Sunday 19th May 2013, 10:50 AM

they didnt sell Haynes or Jezzard or Cohen
posted by nobby (Guest) - Friday 17th May 2013, 10:24 PM but they did sell mullery, marsh, robson, lacy, john Dempsey, ray Houghton,smalling .
posted by mr keef (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 11:05 AM And Allan Clarke.
posted by Remember98 (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 2:24 PM And Tony Macedo
posted by Jim Jo (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 6:36 PM And Malcolm McDonald
posted by Big Al (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 6:59 PM and Len Quested,who?
posted by nobby (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 7:26 PM Are you really including John Lacy in that list of quality players or is there another Lacy that I don't know about? He was ordinary at best...
posted by Hints - Sunday 19th May 2013, 12:29 AM And Ronnie Rooke to Arsenal for £5,000 plus two of their useless reserve players. Rooke saved Arsenal from relegation in 1946/47 season with 21 goals from 24 matches and the following season was the leading goal scorer in the old top division, Division One, with 33 goals and was voted player of the year by the Daily Express. He averaged 0.74 goals a game for Arsenal which is still the second highest average, fractionally behind Ted Drake.
Ronnie was 35 when Arsenal bought him but what a bargain for three seasons before going to Crystal Palace.
If only we had some one like him today.
posted by Colin Edy (Guest) - Sunday 19th May 2013, 10:20 AM

I'd guess at Skeltenburg as it would explain why the club hasn't agreed a new contract with Schwarzer.
posted by fortressfulham - Friday 17th May 2013, 4:34 PM They offered him one year but he has turned it down
posted by JB (Guest) - Friday 17th May 2013, 5:00 PM Probably at a lot less money
posted by FFC SUPPORTER (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 6:30 AM When you look back though, with the exception of a few we have usually had the best form and years out of the players we sell.
posted by MST (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 10:55 AM JB - If they didn't have Skeltenburg lined up then you'd guess they'd have made a bigger effort to get Schwarzer to sign by now? I don't see us letting our goalie leave on a free without having a player lined up to come in. I'd be quite happy to see all three of those players you listed to come in, we really need to add some quality to the squad.
posted by fortressfulham - Saturday 18th May 2013, 3:22 PM

good idea a strong spine is wanted new keeper centre back pref big and fast, good big striker, stecklenberg , for one, Rhodes for another, centre back not to sure there has to be one around that fits the description,then start on mid -f two wingers,not geriatrics, and if jol does walk Collins,an emaculate mid -f in his day and murphy as coach , all would come pretty cheap in to days market .coyw for ever
posted by mr keef (Guest) - Friday 17th May 2013, 3:09 PM If they all come cheap, most are no good.
posted by Al (Guest) - Saturday 18th May 2013, 11:28 AM Why two wingers? We've got Kaca and Dejagah and hopefully Frei will make the grade if he learns not to cut inside every time he faces an opponent. One more should be enough as Duff will still be playing next season and although i don't see him being a 90 minute man from now on, he'll be useful. We have so many other areas to address it's going to be expensive so we don't want two wingers when we only need one.
posted by Scrawnee - Saturday 18th May 2013, 11:07 PM

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posted by Mick (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 11:53 PM

It's a bit like Darwin we have defined species: 1. I have been a fan since the Boar war and am giving up - there are better opportunities at the OAP Club. 2. I hate the manager (whoever). Except Roy (forgetting he walked out in July and fucked us - in the end he wasn't a nice guy ( all managers are the same)). 3. Will MAF invest (assumes he is down already - as opposed to quids in). If not then no manager could do better. 4. Lets have whoever has won a few games recently ie Collins, Poyet, etc. 5. Our players don't try, are to old, are crap. Well Rangers would swap. 6. I love what FFC is. I don't care about things I can't change and I will enjoy the crack (not Irish spelling I know). Alright I ran out of steam but one finger on an iPad isn't easy. Just stop moaning, post about great kids in youth team as someone just has and shout its too good to be true So it's not princess di but its your princess - love it or to be honest bugger off as the anti should post somewhere else.k
posted by Phil (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 5:12 PM Presumably there is a rule that ticket holders who give up also give up the right to post their depressing views on this website.
posted by peterjeremy - Thursday 16th May 2013, 8:06 PM The last few games have not been great but we are in the Premier League. For much of the last 40 years it hasn't been this good!
posted by Augustus (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:21 PM

An easy calculation now that everyone has played 37 games.
Mathematically would could overtake West Ham but to do it we must be a winner among losers. How often has that happened?
posted by willie2B - Thursday 16th May 2013, 10:21 PM

apparently mr jol will be in charge next season,sez a Fulham spokesman, ;;;;;;really.
posted by mr keef (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 4:49 PM If Jol is staying, we must be on target to make a profit this year.
posted by willie2B - Thursday 16th May 2013, 10:23 PM

11.30 train from padding ton - meet in bar behind tube ent about 10.30
posted by Phil (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 5:13 PM Sorry PHIL just seen your message.Iam going by jam jar from SLOUGH.
posted by GEZZER - Saturday 18th May 2013, 5:16 PM

How does Martinez and Adkins figure on our chart Peter?
posted by martinwatson (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:20 AM As far as I know both Martinez and Adkins have good figures. Unfortunately their clubs did not. Demonstrating yet again that talk of a waist is a ..... waste.
posted by peterjeremy - Thursday 16th May 2013, 7:54 PM Just thinking of Jol. Now I'm already worried about next season!
posted by Drift (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:24 PM

I agree with you Jim.At the age of 66 I've decided not to renew my ticket for next season.I have been going to the Cottage since 1956 when my dear old Dad took me for the first time.Its the same club that I worshipped as a kid but something is different there now.I can't put my finger on it but things have changed,maybe its football in general that's changed or is it me just getting old.This squad of players we've got should be ashamed of themselves this season.We talk a lot these days of playing with passion and pride when turning out for your club but this lot have none of that.Why should I pay good money to watch a team that on the whole look as though they couldn't care less?I don't mind supporting a team that lose a lot more games than they win,God knows we've all got used to that over the years,but to watch a team that has no guts is hard to take.Old players like Haynes,Langley,Maurice Cook,Bobby Robson,Beddy Jezzard to name but a few must be turning in their graves at this lot.I said a few months ago that we were in danger of going down,I could see it a mile off.I know now how QPR fans must feel about their players,we were lucky we got away with it.But something big has got to happen over the summer or we will be gone next time.New manager?That would do for a start.Poyet sounds good to me.He's done ok with Brighton so far and I think he's got a bit of a spark in him which we're going to need.Will Mo spend some money or has he lost his spark?I'll tell you something though,if we keep this lot for next season we've no chance.
posted by Mick (Guest) - Wednesday 15th May 2013, 11:05 PM Mick, you should send this message to someone at the club. I am sure you will not be the only one not to renew and unless you tell them they will not understand the reasons. Try the Chief Executive Alistair MacIntosh, apparently he and Martin Jol are not the best of friends... Either way, the club should know your decision and the reasons behind it. That goes for anyone who is considering the same.
posted by Hints - Thursday 16th May 2013, 12:05 AM Fulhamish end of season moans!!!Mo and Jol kept us in The Prem with lack of resources and a small squad.Through Mo we are financially better off than most Banks.Whereas we are all suffering Austerity Fulham have survived.So put that in your pipes and smoke it . COYWs We survived anover season.
posted by Robert Cossey-Mowle (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 12:30 AM Sad to see you go but if you wanted success you should have gone years ago. This is a small club and without Mo a championship one like Charlton, Palace. So much unrealistic stuff posted on this site.
posted by Phil (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 7:39 AM I fully understand where Mick's coming from and it's sad one of our long term supporters has taken such a decision. It's not much to ask for the team to play with more passion and desire. I don't expect the team to win every match, but I do expect them to compete and not rollover.

Unlike our teams of the early 00's, 90's and earlier, they have lost their identity, the lack of British players may be the cause, an ineffective playing captain unable to gel the players is another and of cause a weak manager who's undecided how and who to play and most of all a very poor squad of players.

For me I have renewed my season ticket. Since returning to the Cottage I've made friends amongst those who sit around me and I enjoy the crack with them and I would miss this if I didn't renew.

Lets all hope the team performs better in the coming season. COYW
posted by martinwatson (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:16 AM Sorry Phil, but I reckon it's your post which is unrealistic.
Do you want a club that spends its time in the bottom half, concerned about relegation every match, looking at results for teams that have done worse than us? And rarely having the diversion of a decent cup run.
Similar clubs like Fulham do offer better entertainment, more commitment and more success. Take Swansea for example.
Fans ARE entitled to see commitment and in very match.
The difference between the Fulham team now and the Fulham we grew up with, is the absence of home grown players.
Even your average imports are expensive, short term, and don't give shit about the club.
I thought the FA was going to restrict the number of foreigners in the squad. It looks like Fulham are restricting the number of English players.
posted by willie2B - Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:26 AM Mick I could not agree with you more wholeheartedly.
I'm nudging 70 years and like you remember the old days , good and bad , when players played with real passion and I think were proud to take the field on behalf of themseves , the fans and club.
This lot are a load of lazy , overpaid , self-interested time servers.They , in the main , have loyalty to themselves and nothing and nobody else . Performances over the past few weeks have been a disgrace and everyone associated with putting these teams out should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for taking their wages under false pretences.
I like you will not , after many many years be renewing my season ticket , nor will my son and a number of other regulars we know.
These people have to wake and remember football is entertainment and exists not for the fans but because of them.......no fans contributing their pennies no team.
Jol is the root cause of our problems and until MAF does something about getting rid of him fans will start to vote with their feet and his asset will continue to lose value .
Ability questionable but you can't fault the commitment and passion of the likes of ; Hill, Langley , Cook , Keetch etc.etc.
We are what we are a lower mid-table team realize that be proud and lets have some football , win or lose , we can be proud of .Amen.
posted by Mortlake (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:47 AM Phil,I can understand your reply,I used to be like you.I used to wear my Fulham Blinkers and not see the wood for the trees.I used to support Fulham through thick and thin,but in the past the players I have supported didnt take the piss out of their fans like this lot are doing every week.If you haven't seen the lack of pride,passion and the will to do their best by this team since xmas then you don't know much about the the REAL heart and soul of Fulham Football Club. Also I didn't say I wasn't renewing my season ticket because of a lack of success,read it again and you'll see why.I didn't start supporting Fulham because they were successful,I could have gone elsewhere for that. I think you're right Willie about the foreign players,especially the on loan players.How can you get the pride of playing for your club if your only there for a few months.Loan players used to be used to get you out of a sticky situation on a short term deal,not to be used constantly to form a large part of your squad.
posted by Mick (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 10:59 AM I think that if you compare Karagounis and Riise you can see the difference. Kara is a short termer but you would think he was born on Stevenage Road, Riise, on the other hand, is saluting his old club on the bloody pitch, during the game in a white shirt. There are good pros out there, but this bunch just arent them. Look at Wigan, would our boys have dug deep like that ? I doubt it ...
posted by Phil74 - Thursday 16th May 2013, 11:11 AM Cottage has a capacity of 25700 and gets that every home league game. If all you guys drop your season tickets and don't go, it will still get 25700. And when, next season or the one after, we are pushing for 7th or 8th spot or looking good in a cup, you'll be watching Brentford or Kingstonian.

Isn't it great being a real, life long supporter.
posted by Al (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 11:56 AM Mick and Willie My point is stop complaining about things you can't control. Enjoy the ride, the good and the bad and be a sportsman. It's about taking part. There no blinkers on me FFC could do better and worse but it's my day put and I would to discuss he team and especially the kids who some of you seem to know a lot about which is of interest. The negative views are an irrelevance you won't change a thing except your stress levels. Peace and Love
posted by Phil (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 5:26 PM Al,if we get relegated next season half of that 25,700 will disappear,mark my words.Fulham have got about 15,000 strong fans,the rest are the prawn sandwich variety who will be off as soon as we drop.By the way I've been to 31 Fulham games home and away this season,how many have you been to? Have really enjoyed the exchanges from everyone on this post.It seems to have got people's juices flowing one way or another.But I think it's fair to say that not everyone on this forum thinks that everthings rosy in the Craven Cottage garden.
posted by Mick (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 11:50 PM

Totally agree, anything is better than watching Karagounis at CM
posted by fortressfulham (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 12:26 AM Things are not that bad. Poor ending and I think Mr Jol has to take a good deal of responsibility for that. Too many loan players that don't really care and too many older players. Kara was good in his time, he shows passion and can still do it in patches but he shouldn't be a starter. It infuriates me to see so many players jogging back when we lose the ball. Our players are not as good as those of Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool but there is absolutely no reason why they can't put in as much effort. And a number of them just don't. Jol has been criticized in the past for producing unfit teams. Is that one of the problems here. Another thing that infuriates me is the pathetic effort we put in in the cup competitions. It's not just the big clubs that get to finals or even win them. Having said that, anyone who has supported the club over 20, 30 or 40 years knows things have been very much worse.
posted by Drift (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:42 PM

If you can get someone better then make the change and Poyet is better. A1 is Jol boyfriend Berb can do much better
posted by Baz (Guest) - Wednesday 15th May 2013, 4:33 PM well done Dixon, well said, dont let Snakey hear you though, he still believes in the BerbaJol Fairy ...
posted by Phil74 - Wednesday 15th May 2013, 4:50 PM not going to knock Poyet but what will be different if we just replace the manager? Our squad as a whole has been poor, would Poyet have got more out of any of our players this year
posted by fortressfulham (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 12:28 AM Probably not, Fortress but he would have been chosing the players to bring in. Makes a difference.
Apparently Fulham could have had Michu or Rhodes but they weren't good enough or the right price. Oh, and they didn't play the Dutch way.
Regarding the Dutch way, their best players play abroad and play the style of their adopted countries.
And how often do you see a Dutch side closing in on one of the European Cups?
posted by willie2B - Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:34 AM

coulda been written by MJ himself ! Serios lack of drive in last 3rd of season and MJ has fallen out with too many people and it shows. Fresh blood and a new seasons optimism, but under MJ we will struggle.
posted by Phil74 - Wednesday 15th May 2013, 1:10 PM Well said Snakey.

Phil, is the 74 your age or your IQ?
posted by Al (Guest) - Wednesday 15th May 2013, 2:44 PM Martin Jol aka Snakey
posted by johnf1 (Guest) - Wednesday 15th May 2013, 3:07 PM Martin Jol aka Snakey
posted by johnf1 (Guest) - Wednesday 15th May 2013, 3:11 PM come on Berba, we all know thats you and not Al... did Marty put you up to this ?
posted by Phil74 - Wednesday 15th May 2013, 4:46 PM Two snipes in quick succession Al.
Why give up on the informative and constructive posts we have come to expect from you?
posted by willie2B - Thursday 16th May 2013, 9:46 AM Because, wIllie, you and a few others used to be worth reading. Now, all you present is a load of misinformed, thoughtless and negative opinion. And an enormous amount of it as well. Is this just to court popularity I ask myself.
posted by Al (Guest) - Thursday 16th May 2013, 12:03 PM Without the so called misinformed, thoughtless and negative opinions, Al, this message board would look pretty bleak.
Courting popularity? I assure you that my popularity is where it suits me - at home.
posted by willie2B - Thursday 16th May 2013, 10:36 PM