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so mr amorebata claims to have said ;he is impressed by the talent at ffc, did they not show him around cfc by mistake.is there script for new players? now, accadamy kids no mention yet what jol will do with them, can we not find just one star in what has been described as the best in the prem league.? funny thing is in the old we had no accadamy and yet Haynes tosh mullery cohen marsh, even robson was only 17, McDonald les barret macedo all came in as juniors jezzard also was very young and quite local so how did that happen when we cant find one player that has had buckets of dosh spent on them?
 
 
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Hi all,

If you're interested, an article about Fulham's present predicament can be found at www.mcnamara-sport.tumblr.com
 
 
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Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 1:45 PM



 
Now we need one more winger, one playmaker and another striker and Goalkeeper if Mark is really leaving...
 
 
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Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 11:49 AM



 
jol dont spend money on a player unlesss it will improve the team...so many free agents that can do a job available this summer...fulham are nt a rich club but we are on top of the league for points per pounds spent. so jol is doing an excellent job, you cant blame him for nt signing players cos he cant really gamble when u dont have any money...and hes been doing miracles in the transfer windows...and believe me i think hes got a few tricks up his sleeve for the summer. amorebieta will improve the defnse so much and boatend is so underated i remember him playing in the world cup coming as a substiute and completely dominating the midfield
 
 
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Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 11:03 AM



 
It looks like Shay Given is going to be released by Villa. He has 3 or 4 years left in him. Would he be a good replacement for Schwarzer? You need experience to play in goal in the Premier League, so I think Stockdale is too young for it.
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Was once a great keeper. I wonder if his appetite for the game has dwindled?
Still, another free would interest FFC.
posted by willie2B - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 11:12 AM
 
Had a bad Euro 2012, but was injured for that. That is really the last time he has played. Just hearing also, that Richard Dunne is being released by Villa and James McClean may be available from Sunderland Might not be bad signings either?
posted by Clarky (Guest) - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 11:57 AM
 
 
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Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 6:54 AM



 
I think even Lionel Messi would look shit playing alongside our current team of no-hopers. Let's sack the whole fucking lot of them and start again-from league 2 if necessary. PS Does anyone else remember MAF calling us the Man Utd of the South ??? What a sick joke that is.
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I think that you could have made your point without the profanities to be honest!
posted by MST (Guest) - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 10:33 AM
 
Ever since Kevin Keegan was managing Newcastle, everyone has "to be honest". What an overworked and meaningless phrase, particularly in the worlds of football and politics!

While I'm preaching, I suggest it's time for us all to cut back on the rhetoric. We have survived, so let's relax and start again. Surely we all want the club to do well and that means giving FFC maximum support and encouragement.

Like it or not, we will have Jol and his boys for at least 1 more year. In the past couple of days there are reports showing the club is doing something. Not everyone will agree with the new players but then, it isn't our money.

Never a Carlton Cole fan, I can see FFC picking him up, too. Once a decent striker who might benefit from a change of scenerey and would be cheaper than the likes of Darren Bent. How about Cole in, Rodellega and Petric out?
posted by willie2B - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 10:47 AM
 
 
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Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 1:58 AM



 
We've not had a great season as we all know. But i'm already on the verge of optimism with us moving early in the transfer window. Boateng doesnt really excite, but no doubt he will add depth for when sidwell gets sent every 3 or 4 games. I also think we missed Diarra this season, he gave us some stability in the middle. However, Amorebieta looks a very promising signing. We desperately need a new CB seeing as senderos and Hughesy just dont really cut it. Transfer target for Arsenal and will be considered a big blow for the Bilbao team that knocked out United. Maybe Martin has a few tricks up his sleeves this summer.
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I AGREE WITH YOU EXCEPT BOATENG.HE WILL BE GOOD FOR FULHAM AS HE WILL SOLIDIFY THE MID AREA AND HE IS GOOD PASSER.GOOD SIGNING AND HE CAME FREE.
posted by BALJIT SINGH (Guest) - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 2:36 AM
 
 
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Tuesday 21st May 2013, 11:06 PM



 
BOATENG,AMORIETA AND BABEL MAY COME THIS SUMMER ON A FREE AND ITS SEEM VERY LIKELY WE ARE NOT GOING TO SPEND ANY MONEY AGAIN,IT IS ALARMING AND SOMETHING MUST BE GOING ON BEHIND DOORS.
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No argument but these names are good players. So what if they come for free (not sure Ambro will). Leaves a bit more for 2 or 3 others we need.
posted by willie2B - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 10:54 AM
 
 
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Tuesday 21st May 2013, 11:06 PM



 
Congratulations to Gary Johnson a Fulham boy from Wandsworth Bridge Road on promotion with Yeovil Town.
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I thought Dan Brown had a good game as well.
Be interesting to see if Jol brings him home in August. Either way, a season in the Championship would be good for Dan.
posted by willie2B - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 10:52 AM
 
 
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Tuesday 21st May 2013, 9:13 PM



 
so just seen that we've made 45 million in revenue for tv advertising this year ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22610584 ) surely we can use this aswell as the money from dempsey/dembele?? easy 60mill there to use...
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If you torture numbers enough, they will tell you anything...
posted by Snakey (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 10:40 PM
 
If we have a budget over 15million id be very surprised.
posted by Jamie (Guest) - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 2:58 AM
 
Most businesses have budgets. They amount will be distributed under several heads. Players in and salaries will be just one budget. I'll be surprised if FFC spend more than 20 million before September. If I was MAF I'd be keeping a bit back - contingency for January which, hopefully, will not be needed.
posted by willie2B - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 10:58 AM
 
 
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Tuesday 21st May 2013, 7:36 PM



 
HAMMERSMITH & FULHAM Fury after Fulham FC wins planning permission to extend its Craven Cottage stadium a full 11 metres over the River Thames.
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Sounds a bit fishy to me...
posted by Snakey (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 10:29 PM
 
 
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Tuesday 21st May 2013, 6:03 PM



 
seen messages from a few of the players twitter accounts about having to say goodbye to some lads who have put there all in whilste playing for ffc. if this is true who do you reckon is out the door??
 
 
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reading quotes some managers make I wonder just how good a coach they are,benitez said I would like to stay in prem but there are no big clubs available, really;;;; why big club ? all it says is I cant do much with out loads of money, so all top managers and coaches look for big rich clubs to make the job easy just what would jose do at villa or ffc of west ham, or Norwich, only cloughie showed how you can go to a average club and turn them into world beaters with very little money so does that make cloughie the great one and not jose? or any other feted manager? harry nearly did it at spurs into fourth but even so levy did spend more than most although spurs don't spend to much in comparsion to big 4.
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Cloughie was the best but he stayed at Forrest cos he hadnt burnt too many bridges and big clubs didnt want him.

Fergusson at Aberdeen - Cup Winners Cup Champions and won Scottsh league breaking the old firm monopoly.

Mourinho at Porto.


posted by Phil (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 3:25 PM
 
You beat me to it Phil. If you look back most of the "great" Managers have done their apprenticeships at smaller clubs and have earned the right to look for so called "big clubs". There aren't many big clubs (Chelsea apart with Vialli, Zola, Di Matteo) that take on rookies - they all want time served, experienced guys who have been there and done it so I knd of see Bernitez's point. I am a large comany director who worked his way up through a series of smaller companies - why would I now want to drive a van for a living?
posted by MST (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 3:31 PM
 
but did not most of these win at small clubs once only? there are lots of clubs and managers who won top honour ,but only the once ,when that was done suddenly they were gods and every top club wanted there services, but in my dreams I wonder what would have happened if jose or a.n had come from porto into say villa ,a big club even though in slumberland ,or Newcastle, sunderland , big gates big support,or yes even us, would he have achieved as much ?.
posted by mr keef. (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 3:56 PM
 
 
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Tuesday 21st May 2013, 12:09 PM



 
Rumour is that he is on his way out of Spurs. Not that I think it's likely but anyone like him back?
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Would love him back - if we didn't have to pay (much) more than we sold him for. Whether he would come back to us (or is indeed actually up for sale) is more the question...

...he'll probably do the same as everyone else who leaves us, end up at Sunderland or someone equivalent - trading a great career at a (smaller) club that loves them, for one or two seasons at a top 5 club (no Champions' League) and then to a smaller club, miles from anywhere you'd want to live...#justsaying
posted by Simon Morgan (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 12:23 PM
 
I doubt if Levy asking price will be less than £10m, which would rule us out anyway. Would I have him back? probably not, after all he wants Champions League football!!!!
posted by martinwatson (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 12:27 PM
 
Pointless question really. Jol (nor MAF) would have him back because he refused to play and Dempsey wouldn't want to come back. I don't believe he is out of Spurs in any case - especially if they get an offer around £60m for Bale from Real after Ronaldo signs for Chels!!
posted by MST (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 1:05 PM
 
A lot of Spurs fans have not been happy with his displays on the pitch this season. He's not so much of a star now that he has better players around him. Would I take him back.....footballing wise probably yes...for the way he wanted to leave us,no.Probably get the move he wanted to the Scousers.
posted by FulhamFooty (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 1:15 PM
 
First two words of this post says it all as usual. "RUMOUR IS............."
posted by Al (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 2:22 PM
 
yes please but would he come back or move on to Liverpool? at 3 mill good value.
posted by mr keef (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 2:24 PM
 
Would love him back but cant afford him now
posted by Phil (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 3:26 PM
 
i would love dempsey to come back! he is a fulham legend, and no-one can hate him at the club! he would bring some goals back with him
posted by dixon94 (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 4:29 PM
 
Where does this rumour come from?
Only sensible post under this "Rumour mill" comes from Al.
posted by willie2B - Wednesday 22nd May 2013, 11:05 AM
 
 
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Summary

A deeply unsatisfactory season; the sale of Mousa Dembele and Clint Dempsey in the final week of August knocked us for six. Very nearly sleep-walking into relegation, big questions need to be asked of both the board and Martin Jol. A repeat next year would almost certainly guarantee Championship football.


Top 3 players

Sascha Riether: a rare and constant bright spark in an otherwise sparkless team. Tireless running, often our biggest attacking threat, he has become a real fan favourite.

Ashkan Dejagah: bought on transfer deadline day from Wolfsburg, injuries meant that it took some time for Dejagah to settle in. When he did, though, he provided excellent and direct wing play, as well as some unheralded defensive work.

Giorgios Karagounis: a 35-year old who arrived as a free transfer in September; yup, that basically sums up Fulham's season. Yet Karagounis has been brilliant and provided the much-needed leadership and calm head that our central midfield required in the absence of Dembele.


Top 3 flops

Steve Sidwell: in the so-called peak of his career, Sidwell totally failed to capitalise on the exit of Dembele to make central midfield his own. Lacking in leadership qualities, the Ginger Iniesta's season was perfectly summed up by his back to back red cards in April. At least he gets a long summer holiday.

Mladen Petric: I'm not so much blaming Petric but Jol; why on earth did we sign him in the first place? A very good finisher but totally lacking the dynamism and physicality to influence the Premier League. He'll go on to score goals elsewhere; he just shouldn't have come to Fulham.

John Arne Riise: if it weren't for Kieran Richardson's injuries and Matthew Briggs' ineptitude, Riise wouldn't have played half as many games as he did this season. He has though, and he has been a shadow of the player we saw last year. Careless in possession, weak defensively; it has not been a good season for the Norwegian.


Highlight of the season

The 5-0 victory over Norwich City on the opening day. That says it all.


Manager assessment

It's really hard to judge; are the team's failings down to Jol's management of the board's lack of leadership? I think it's a bit of both. While the board's failure to decide what, exactly, Fulham's plans and ambitions are, Jol has not helped himself. Having announced his desire to lower the average age of the squad when he arrived at Craven Cottage, all he has done is add older players on short-term contracts or loans; this lack of longevity and forward thinking cannot help the atmosphere within the dressing room.

Furthermore, he has been remarkably tactically inflexible given our weaknesses in personnel. It's taken him all season not to realise that playing counter-attack football without any pace doesn't work. Hopefully, one day the penny will drop. With speculation over his future, I can't say I'd be upset should he depart. A poor season all round.


Hopes for next season

My one hope is for greater leadership, at both the managerial and board level. What are the club's ambitions? Is Mohamed Al Fayed still interested? If we are to become 'self-sustainable' then we need a manager who can work under those circumstances; Jol is not that man.

With greater leadership will come stability and improvement. We need to stop thinking from season to season (which ends up being from transition to transition), we need a longer-term plan. If that happens, then there's no reason why we can't challenge regularly for Europe. If it doesn't happen, we may find ourselves slugging it out in the Championship before too long.

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Read more: http://pickourteam.com/premierleague/fulham/news/20-05-2013/end-of-season-review-fulham/831878#ixzz2Tuw2bpvP
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Been really dissapointed with Petric this season. In Pre season he looked class and against Norwich i thought here we go we have a goodun here.

Then he got an injury and thats it. He comes of the bench but isnt an impact player, he is lightweight, quite slow and not prepared to play through any kind of injury.

Would be one of the players i move on.

As for Sidwell - There is a case for and against.

Yes he has been reckless but when you are the only player who isnt a defender that can tackle then you are going to have to go in tough, Karagounis is always diving around, Ruiz couldnt tackle his way out of a soaking wet open paper bag and Berbatov doesnt even attempt so he probably feels he has to really go hard.

On the negative he hasnt improved as a footballer this season, his passing is poor (1st minute of cup game vs Utd for example) his shooting is poor and he doesnt seem to have the same enthusiasm he did, i think Moussa Dembele made him look good for the past two seasons and he has been found out a bit because the quality isnt alongside him.

I would give him another chance though, i think he has it in him to be a good player for us as long as the right player is alongside him.
posted by Adam (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 11:49 AM
 
This season has been a very frustrating time for all, it's low's out-number the highs, 9 home defeats is not a record to be proud of and the defeat at QPR was not a performance I wish to remember. Our downturn in form was mirrored by the 3 red cards and the games which followed them.

After a promising season start we the supporters suffered many anxious performances.

Regardless of the constraints Martin Jol has been working under, he showed his inability to use or organise his squad correctly to the benefit of the team's results. He also kept reiterating the loss of Dembele and Dempsey like a broken record. He may have had control of the team but it didn't come across that way to the fans, it seemed that they were in disarray.
posted by martinwatson (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 1:03 PM
 
Top 3 players and you dont name Berb? Dont get that unless you are deducting points for not running around. He kept us in this division by himself. I agree your 3 are next best
posted by Phil (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 3:28 PM
 
If you have read any of my other posts you will realise that I am not a Berbatov fan. I find him gifted but the wrong type of player for FFC. He absolutely did not keep us in the division on his own - although one or two of his goals were what you could say were pure class not all were and if he hadn't been there someone else would have.


In addition what about the times when we broke at pace only to await Berba's stroll up the pitch to catch up? You have to ask yourself - did Zamora get us to the Europa League final on his own or did Dempsey keep us in the division last season? If the answer is yes then my feeling is that, with respect and in the nicest possible way, your binkers need to come off - sorry.
posted by MST (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 4:14 PM
 
Sidwell was the player who kept us up when he was not there we went down hill sending off yes out of order but up till then he was our best player some steel maybe too much we missed him big time
posted by longtrotter (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 8:25 PM
 
Sidwell is an interesting case - Pretty sure he was in the premiership top ten this season for number of tackles despite the 6 games he missed, plus his ommission coincided with a stinker of a run - so maybe the disappointment is he got sent off twice which is harsh as to a certain extent he was unlucky
posted by Snakey (Guest) - Tuesday 21st May 2013, 10:25 PM
 
Don't know about Sidwell's tackle count but he was actually out a good deal longer than 6 games. & for the red cards plus injuries earlier in the season. He was certainly an important part of the team structure.
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